tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229878121183426722.post2657343985080253625..comments2023-10-08T12:27:04.050+03:00Comments on HIV in Kenya: PrePex at Loggerheads with Main Recipients of Circumcision Funding?Simonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13522180315970081603noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229878121183426722.post-3295488386813210622013-01-25T02:42:30.985+03:002013-01-25T02:42:30.985+03:00Sadly, the people who are in favor of circumcision...Sadly, the people who are in favor of circumcision must be well aware that there are many areas where HIV prevalence is higher among circumcised men. Even people like Bailey doesn't deny that, he just fails to address it.<br /><br />No, I'm talking about people who have no interest in circumcision, it's nothing to do with their job or their income; but telling them seems to have no impact. Just as people seem happy to assume that almost all HIV transmission in Africa countries is a result of heterosexual behavior, they seem to think that circumcision is, by definition, a good thing for Africans, or at least nothing to object to.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13522180315970081603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229878121183426722.post-76195911070471074492013-01-24T23:38:05.748+03:002013-01-24T23:38:05.748+03:00"It is difficult to get a man to understand s..."It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding."<br />~Upton Sinclair<br /><br />The people you explain things to cannot bite the hand that feeds them.<br /><br />If they are told that in order to get funding, donations, a paycheck etc., they must say circumcision prevents HIV, and dismiss evidence to the contrary, then that is precisely what they will do.<br /><br />They can't risk losing funds from say, PEPFAR, Bill Gates etc.<br /><br />It has got to be money making people ignorant to reality.<br /><br />I can't see any other reason why people would just ignore the fact that circumcision has already been shown to fail in the massive circumcision experiment that exists in human history.<br /><br />"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."<br />~Einstein (Attributed)Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229878121183426722.post-51784530108747271302013-01-24T23:14:01.277+03:002013-01-24T23:14:01.277+03:00I agree with you, but I'm sure it's not be...I agree with you, but I'm sure it's not beyond the ingenuity of Baily and his friends to gloss over results that don't fit their PR. So PrePex must be disappointed that they missed such a massive endorsement. You're right about Museveni, but I don't see him turning down money for his country. And development by big donors and NGOs seems to be something apart from governance, beyond oversight, without so much as a sniff of democracy.<br /><br />I've tried, over and over again, to point out that the program is being carried out in countries where HIV prevalence is higher among circumcised men but very few seem to react in any way. Is it that difficult to understand? What should I do, draw a picture? Ideograms?Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13522180315970081603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229878121183426722.post-33392789783169443282013-01-24T22:23:32.689+03:002013-01-24T22:23:32.689+03:00"I would have expected them to be in cahoots,..."I would have expected them to be in cahoots, but perhaps not."<br /><br />I think it becomes more and more obvious what this is about; money and extraneous agendas, and NOT actually disease prevention as they purport.<br /><br />Regarding countries waking up, haven't some leaders like the Ugandan president simply never bought it? The statistics of countries where HIV transmission is more prevalent among circumcised men is out there.<br /><br />It is mind-boggling to me why nobody has noticed it.<br /><br />Perhaps it's the money signs in their eyes getting in the way...Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229878121183426722.post-44913605119403488752013-01-24T14:08:59.411+03:002013-01-24T14:08:59.411+03:00Thanks Joseph, you're quite right, the amount ...Thanks Joseph, you're quite right, the amount they stand to make is eye-watering. I was just calculating the figure Robert Bailey and friends was saying was "unlikely to result in significant cost savings". Some have said the target population is more like 38 million, so the profits for churning out little plastic rings and rubber bands could be well worth the effort.<br /><br />I assume the biggest effort is getting the money sorted out now as it is becoming obvious that the vast majority of men are not agreeing to be circumcised. Not only are the numbers agreeing to it falling fast, but the remainder will be harder to persuade, as they have already probably decided not to go through with it. PrePex probably feel that the only way they can pull this trick is to get in and out before anyone notices the sleight of hand.<br /><br />But I really wonder if there is some competition between Bailey and his crew, on the one hand, and the PrePex bunch on the other hand. I would have expected them to be in cahoots, but perhaps not. Bailey is well aware that it's going to be a hard slog so perhaps he doesn't want anyone else cashing in on it. It is not a foregone conclusion, but some country may wake up and realize that HIV prevalence is higher among circumcised men, which would really mess things up for Bailey and PrePex.Simonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13522180315970081603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8229878121183426722.post-30142957705088755722013-01-24T13:46:38.436+03:002013-01-24T13:46:38.436+03:00Aren't circumcision promoters planning to circ...Aren't circumcision promoters planning to circumcise 20 million men?<br /><br />This from an NYTimes paid ad by PrePex:<br /><br />"PrePex’s ultimate cost is still being negotiated with donor agencies and foundations, Ms. Fuerst said, but may end up in the $15-to-$20 range, about the same as a surgical circumcision kit."<br /><br />http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/31/health/aids-prevention-inspires-ways-to-simplify-circumcision.html<br /><br />Let's see, at 20,000,000 men, that's $300,000,000 at minimum, and $4,000,000,000 at most.<br /><br />For a useless, extraneous device looking for a purpose, not bad.<br /><br />Not bad at all.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190648498809795551noreply@blogger.com